Mike and Liz share their journey of pastoring on the Gold Coast — the highs, the challenges, and the lessons learned in choosing people over programs.

They talk about the early days of Church GC, what it means to lead with rest instead of striving, and how God taught them to build depth, not just size.
It’s a conversation about family, discipleship, and trusting that when we build people, God builds His Church.

Steve speaks openly about his past, the years chasing music, success, and applause and how God met him in the quiet undoing of it all. Out of that undoing came two lifelong convictions: becoming and participating.

Lachlan opens up about his unlikely journey from carpenter to pastor, the defining moments that reshaped his ministry, and how God led him to rediscover intimacy over idolatry. Together, they explore the pain and beauty of friendships in ministry, the challenge and hope of church unity on the Gold Coast and Tweed, and a radical shift in how The Gathering lives out discipleship through home gatherings.